Ep. 1 Why We Teach The Trades
Okay, all right. So welcome to the Four Men and a Giraffe podcast, which is a working title. This is four shop teachers taking a deep dive into construction, what we have going on in our shops, offering insights and bringing on special guests. So we're gonna build something awesome together. What we're going to do is this is the inaugural episode may or may not be published and we'll go around the room.
Speaker 1:I'm going start with Adam, basically what you got going on with the shop in your shop, what you do.
Speaker 2:So I'm in Pittsburgh, PA and work in a after school program with inner city youth. So I'm not in a, like a it's very much shop class, but just not a school, not a school setting. So right now we have two projects going on. We're building over like an oversized filing cabinet. Somebody needed There's a new shop teacher that works underneath me, and I we drew up some cabinets, and he's trying to figure out how to build those.
Speaker 2:So it's been fun trying to figure out dados and just all kinds of stuff. So we got that working on. And then we're building some scenery for a local church that we partner with. They're redoing their children's area. And so that's actually like a fundraiser for us.
Speaker 2:So we'll go install that stuff, I guess, in, like, two weeks. So we have those two projects going on. Cool.
Speaker 1:Scott, you wanna go next?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Sure.
Speaker 3:I'm in Kansas City. I'm
Speaker 1:enthusiastic I sounded. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4:And you're just resting. Noah faces priceless.
Speaker 3:Oh, well. It's a privilege to sit down with you guys. We had a blast in Las Vegas at the International Builders Show. And what was funny is we just kinda had a mob of us jokers that walked around and checked out the show. And so if you can imagine three days of this, we had a good time.
Speaker 3:So so, anyways, that's kinda how we all met up. I ain't that correct? And some other events, let's see, maybe the Sashko had an event. You know? That's I think that's where I met Noah the first time.
Speaker 3:So, anyways, I'm in Kansas City, Kansas. I've been teaching construction for this I'm wrapping up my nineteenth year. Before that, I did some framing, but the framing I did was kind of in a rule, was not like in Kansas City. So the codes were, know, they weren't very strict. So I've learned a lot as, you know, I've come to town and I just used to frame and now, like, we're we build a house.
Speaker 3:So I have an intro class where we just kinda it's kinda like going through year one of a carpenter's apprenticeship. And then we have the advanced class where we spend the afternoon out of the house. So it takes us two years to build a house. I'm pleased to say that last night at the board meeting, our plans for our next house were approved. So congratulations.
Speaker 3:I'm I'm excited. And maybe the bigger congratulations is they approved a pretty sizable budget to build the next house. So I I was pleased with that. That's usually building a house is stressful, but also managing that budget and trying to end at a certain time and under a certain dollar amount, you know, that is fairly stressful,
Speaker 1:at least With
Speaker 2:some interestingly skilled labor.
Speaker 3:Yes. Yes. So and we have a funny format. So what we I I kinda classify us as we're highly involved general contractors. We sub out a lot of stuff and but the the good part is that the project keeps rolling.
Speaker 3:There's things that are more like, for example, like, when you get to the electrical phase, we can drill holes, pull wire, you know, slam up some boxes and stuff. But when it comes to, like, wiring three way switches or doing some of the more complicated things, you know, like, an electrician can show them once and kinda talk about some of the theory behind it, but then they they kinda do all that and the and the students just kinda work on mastering, like, getting in plugs and light switches and wiring up the you know, actual electrical devices like the lights and fans. So, anyways, it's been fun, and I've learned a ton. And so that's kinda my story.
Speaker 4:Very cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It's awesome.
Speaker 1:Ken, you wanna go?
Speaker 4:Yeah. Not really. So I'm Ken. I'm not as, I guess, skilled in the teacher trades.
Speaker 2:That's very complimentary.
Speaker 4:All of you guys have been doing it for years. I'm like, I'm like three years in. I do it basically part time as an adjunct professor at a community college here in Michigan, in Kalamazoo, Michigan. And my program, I'm trying to turn it into a two year construction management degree. But as of right now, we have like one construction class, a plumbing class, HVAC class.
Speaker 4:So I teach the construction class. And like right now we're working on building a shed. We've been working on like wall assemblies. So I have teams of like four students per team. And then we build like a four foot by six foot wall, and they learn how to put a window in it, take a window out, kind of remodel focus because that's where I come from.
Speaker 4:I've been spent. Yeah. So that's what we've been working on. I'm trying to get them, like, comfortable with using tools. We have about $15,000 worth of Milwaukee tools is what we started off with in the program.
Speaker 4:Nice. And ideally, would like, I think, how we all kind of want to get to building a house, because I think that's the best way to teach these people or or these kids. Like, work with everyone from high school up through, like, 50, 60 year olds are taking my class. So and they have all different types of experience. And then kind of my background, where I come from, I spent five years as a general contractor, currently work as a project manager for a building and restoration company.
Speaker 4:My day to day job is in construction doing construction. And I teach one day a week for the community college. Very cool. Very cool. That's all I got.
Speaker 1:I guess I'll go.
Speaker 4:I was in ChatGPT though.
Speaker 1:What's that? All my stuff is ChatGPT. I got no shame in the game. Yeah. So my name is Noah.
Speaker 1:Obviously, we all met and I probably had the best time hanging out with shop teachers with y'all. And that's why I think this like kick you know, kicked off. Honestly, just hanging out with anybody, hanging out with y'all was like the most fun. So this has been really cool to kinda connect with people. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So my background's in construction. I was a framer like Scott. Same last name, but not related. Yeah so I grew up a framer. My dad was a builder and so I worked for him for a long time and got into that and trim carpentry eventually owned my own business And then a random opportunity came up to teach, which was only three and a half years ago is when I started teaching.
Speaker 1:No teaching skills, no background in that, and then just kind of jumped into it. And I was fortunate enough to go to a school district or I work in a school district that's, you know, pro hands on. So we do a house build in collaboration with Habitat for Humanity. And so it's been it's been great. I do teach one class at the community college and that's much more of a classroom setting and I have a lot harder of a time without having hands on as much like basically connecting the students, getting them excited and engaged.
Speaker 1:It is people that I find kind of have like as a base, they're more excited about learning in general, I think, which is cool. Not that my students aren't, it's just every student that comes into the community college seems to be wanting to do something in construction, so which is cool. Whereas in the high school, students that just kind of want to experience it and maybe have more knowledge about it, get put in the class. Know, as an overall it's a great experience. It's just a different experience.
Speaker 1:But the lack of hands on at the community college does make it difficult. So yeah, so that's my background. So one thing that we talked about basically improve a program. Like at the college that I teach at, I'd love to just try to get more and more hands on. It kinda fell into my lap at the high school.
Speaker 1:So what are things that y'all have done to basically be able to grow your programs? Like, Scott, like, how were you able to first kick off the house build for your program?
Speaker 3:I inherited it. Okay. And I I kinda got well, sorta lucky. So I my first year was the 02/1967 school year. And at least for myself personally, that's when I felt the recession because I had been framing for one guy and then he went out of business.
Speaker 3:I went and framed for another guy and he went out of business, another guy. And so this I was working for a buddy of mine framing, and my dad heard of this position come open. And I I called, and and the lady talked to me for a long time. And I was like, wow. She's really excited for me to come teach there, but, like like, I'm not a teacher.
Speaker 3:So both my parents were teachers, and so I was like, I kinda understand I kinda get it. And but the economy was for us here in Kansas City and in my construction world, it it was falling apart. And so I was like, I'd I was, what, four years married, so I was kinda still newlywed and I needed a, you know, a steady paycheck. And so and it kinda seemed to fit the criteria. I laugh in hindsight because I'm like, man, if I would have known the job description, I don't know if I would have taken it.
Speaker 3:But it it it's a it's a big it's a big animal, the house build.
Speaker 2:And
Speaker 4:After nineteen years. Right.
Speaker 3:Starting to figure it out. So but yeah. Like go ahead.
Speaker 2:So you've built, like, eight houses with students?
Speaker 3:Yeah. Something like that. Yep.
Speaker 2:Woah. Yeah. Like, you act so nonchalant about that accomplishment.
Speaker 3:Well and you know what's funny? I Travis and Joe with Catalyst Construction, I did an x we called it an externship. Pretty much the school paid me, and I went and hung out with them for, like, three weeks. And what was hilarious was I'm like, I do what you do. Like, your workers are like my students, and I'm not making fun of that, but I'm like, you get supplies, you explain what you want done, you try to set them up for success, and then you leave and you come back and you correct and you add to the scope of work to be done.
Speaker 3:Like I'm like, that's exactly what I do. And I call contractors and try to set stuff up for the next day and the next week and it was almost comical. And and the other thing that I saw that correlated was you're constantly just nothing nothing is like a cut and dry. Students so much when they solve like math problems in class, it's like, you know, you do step one, step two, step three, and you do these steps and you're done and you get arrive at this answer. In construction, it's like, not at all.
Speaker 3:Like, everything goes crazy. And so it's like you're just managing problems. You're salt you know, you're solving problems the whole time. And so that's why I'm like, sometimes I don't feel like I do it successfully. I probably struggle with more, like, thinking I'm not the greatest than maybe most people.
Speaker 3:Like but, like, we built some really cool houses. We do. And so I need I should probably be more excited about that. But because I I like, I'm the wizard behind the curtain, you know, and I see I see the shenanigans and the, you know, staying late to get something done so that, you know, we can move to the next thing or trying to fix a problem that was, you know, a complete oversight by my part. And, you know, but when it's all done, we sell a house and it looks great.
Speaker 1:It I think one of the problems is, is like, especially with, I love Instagram and honestly, a lot of us have connect through Instagram, but the downside of it is like program envy, right?
Speaker 4:Yep.
Speaker 1:I look at other people's programs and I think, man, that is incredible what they're doing.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But like all social media, I mean, the funny thing is, is you warn the kids about it and it's like with other things, but even in your own life, don't realize you're like, that's not the reality of the matter. You know?
Speaker 3:You're watching other people's highlight reel, yep.
Speaker 1:Right, a %. So I think that's difficult. No, I totally agree.
Speaker 4:I mean,
Speaker 2:like the program I oversee, we started as a theatrical construction program. And I think for me, the desire to go towards a house or more residential stuff is it's just a lot more one, I'll be honest, part of me thinks it's cool, and there's some program envy. I'll admit that. And
Speaker 3:but
Speaker 2:the other part for student wise is I think they they can grasp a house better than the theater stuff. Like, because they're not like we're not in a school with, like, a performing arts department in the same way, like, that has, like, a big theater club that pushes this whole thing. Like, I mean, I I think, like, we've built our own electric winches. I mean, we've done some really cool things, but the kids, I still just don't like, I think grasping so it's trying to build that excitement is really kind of what's pushing me towards trying to like, hopefully, this fall, we're gonna do what Ken was talking about, do it like a shed build and kind of start there with still doing our other projects.
Speaker 3:Well, I will I will say I've noticed because you asked, like, how, you know, how you get to where where you are now. I've noticed this past year, we had stuff fall through, and we didn't have a big project this year. It was supposed to be the the baseball field at our school. It was gonna be a press box with a storage area below. And just one thing after another, we are, like, pretty much just now starting in, you know, April 2.
Speaker 3:You know, like, we have a little over a month of school left. And so we've done a few little projects like we went and helped the our framer building a house down the street, and we also helped a church down the street repair their deck and redo some stairs. And to see the students kinda light up when when there's a project, when there's things to do, They they get involved. And when you're just doing, like, a little mock up in the in the shop, they do get excited about that more than, like, bookwork or anything like that. But the the levels of, you know, you're going out and building something and, like and I will the mock ups are good, but you get off when you're building a whole entire wall that's four foot long.
Speaker 3:If you get off, you know, an eighth of an inch, it kinda magnifies all the stuff and it doesn't fit perfect anymore. And when you build, you know, a wall that's, you know, 60 feet long, you got some wiggle room.
Speaker 2:Right. So
Speaker 4:that's kind of why I guess from my experience, like, that's why that's why we get in the trades. Like, maybe a lot all of us have had jobs where, like, we send emails and it's not very fulfilling. Whereas, like, when you're building something, doing stuff with your hands, like framing, I really enjoy framing because you can see a lot of progress really quickly. And it it's a good feeling, feeling like you accomplished something, which I mean, even at the Sashko dinner, like, I think that's the general theme of why we do this in the construction trade is because we get fulfillment from, like, changing people's lives and building things for them. And we're trying to transfer that to students because it is very fulfilling as opposed to going to college and just getting a regular degree that everyone gets and then trying to figure out what you actually want to do with your life when there's a huge need in the trades of the workforce, it's aging out and it's not, the backfill isn't there.
Speaker 4:Right. Which is why we do what we do.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I think people get less and less fulfillment. Most of the students that are in my school, they spend most of the day on a Chromebook and they feel frustrated. And if you're anything, we're probably all kind of similar in the way. I think the building industry is pretty similar as people that are successful in that love that fulfillment. And so the opposite of that is a lot of what's going on in schools.
Speaker 1:I don't know what the answer to that is but like without the hands on stuff I don't even think a lot of my students would show up to school. But the other thing is the nice thing about the house build is to keep them busy is like huge, but it's impossible to with the budgets that you're given. Like if I broke it down per student, it's like 3 or $4 Like what am I gonna do with that? Know? Like there's only but so much stuff you can build, take down, mock ups so you can build.
Speaker 1:Before they all of a sudden I'm like, man, I'm kind of frustrated with this. Yeah.
Speaker 3:So Right. And I would that's why I think it's cool to be networked together because right before school started, trolled the Instagram construction teacher, like, hashtags and accounts. And I tried to look for, like, large kinda larger scale, like, shop mock ups, things I could do with my intro students to keep them excited or even we we're kinda lucky. We have a sounds horrible. We're not lucky.
Speaker 3:There's a high there's a high free and reduced lunch population at my school, which opens up doors for, like, certain funding. And so we we're lucky to have that funding is what I was trying to say. So there are times there's times where, like, there's money to be spent. So we kinda always keep on hand kind of a wish list. So, like, if there's, hey, we have an extra x amount of dollars, we need to spend it, you know, in a certain amount of time, we can we can do that.
Speaker 3:And and so that's one aspect. And also just like watching and networking and talking with you guys, it keeps the creative, you know, your creative mind going because it's like, well, maybe I can't do what he's doing, but I do have, you know, this stuff in my back closet. And I do have this guy out in the community that maybe he just got done, you know, with a such such and such project. He might have some leftover, you know, concrete blocks and, you know, and then you can you can really run with that stuff. So one thing I did wanna say, Ken mentioned, you know, the satisfaction in getting to see things through and completing it, how it changed people.
Speaker 3:It was amazing. The stairs, to me, it meant a lot to me. I and I tried to, like, push it to my students, like, did you see this? Like, the lady who lived upstairs and had to go up and down these rickety stairs was kinda scared of them and would not go down them. And we built these stairs and she was I mean, she literally had a little like single lady and she had like a chair and a table, like, at the bottom of the stairs waiting for us to, like, walk away so that she could take it up.
Speaker 3:She was so excited to, put it up on the deck, and it's it's because it's a beautiful view. It's kinda up on a hill. And I was like, guys, like, she was so excited. Did you see that? Like, to me, I think that's cool when you can do something for somebody they couldn't do and they just love it.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I think actually the younger generation gets it more. Sometimes I miss stuff like that and my students will be like, oh, that's cool. I like doing this for the community and everything like that. And I think that's good for, I don't know, everyone bashes the younger generation, but I think in a lot of ways we got a lot to learn, especially for Ken.
Speaker 1:I'll let
Speaker 4:it down now.
Speaker 2:There's a lot.
Speaker 3:Hearing aids up.
Speaker 2:There is a lot. I mean, I I'm not gonna bash or get into a younger generation conversation because that's not what we're here to really that idea but I do know that they like do value like community and relationships. There is a larger push on. So, I think, you know, that's a huge thing. I mean, I I think, I mean, don't be wrong.
Speaker 2:I mean, Scott has building a house but like Noah through Habitat, I feel like you could tap into that kind of sentiment with students because Habitat is doing, you know, for more of a family that is in need than than not type thing. And I don't know all the standards for Habitat, but that kind of thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And even before that, you know what was cool? This is something that's a project that I think is good for people to start off on. Our Habitat, we built the walls for houses. And Habitat obviously in general, like the homeowners came out and helped.
Speaker 1:We got to meet the homeowners. It's cool. You see the final, like the people that are getting it. And yeah, a lot of times it's just people that had experienced just difficulty through no fault of their own. And so it's cool to see the students be like, yeah, I to, I asked you to show up on a Saturday to help on a build.
Speaker 1:I just asked them and I had 20 some odd students show up. So I'm like, that speaks volumes to, they wanna work, they want that feeling of accomplishment. They wanna impact the community. Think when you give people opportunities, they surprise you and exceed what you even hope for.
Speaker 2:Man, look at this. We actually, like, talked about real content.
Speaker 1:I know we're too serious.
Speaker 2:Doing good, Ken? I
Speaker 4:I think so.
Speaker 1:It's just
Speaker 4:The the other
Speaker 2:thing Bedtime. Dude, it's actually no no joke. It's actually getting close to
Speaker 4:my bedtime. So what can I say?
Speaker 3:Seriously?
Speaker 2:I mean, I wake up.
Speaker 4:Yeah. I mean, I
Speaker 2:I wake up at five to have an hour of life before my daughter gets up or I'll get up. I have a running group that I'm a part of. And if I get up for with them, I get up about 04:40. A running group? Alright.
Speaker 4:Who runs for fun?
Speaker 1:I know.
Speaker 2:Well, it's not fun.
Speaker 4:I know. You're on.
Speaker 2:I run for community.
Speaker 1:So now we're supposed to feel bad about it?
Speaker 4:Oh, way to just throw that guilt trip right in our face.
Speaker 1:Dude, dude, what's crazy? So I had a meeting with the Builders Association. Are any of y'all connected with the Builders Association?
Speaker 4:Up my community game.
Speaker 2:Not yet.
Speaker 1:They've donated considerably to my program, been a big supporter. It's pretty cool. But literally they cannot find other shop teachers that they are. It was about why I went to the bilge or IBS and all that stuff. And they were like, no other shop teachers will take us up on the offer to pay for y'all to go out there to donate stuff.
Speaker 1:And I was like, honestly, I have no idea why, like y'all have been incredible. And I'm like, they're like, do you have any insights as to why a shop teacher wouldn't wanna kinda be connected?
Speaker 3:I wonder if their shop is more like, like, I'm thinking like some shop classes are like, build a stool and a cutting board. And so like, maybe there's not as much opportunity to do, like, residential type stuff. And so that teacher maybe just doesn't see value or the potential or opportunity there. So because you, you know, you could take you could incorporate some things. Like, you do, like, little electrical modules or something.
Speaker 3:I'm sure you could figure something out. But, yeah, man, to that's a lot of generosity left on the table.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It it seemed crazy to me.
Speaker 2:For me, I went I got to go to IBS last year, and I went to their local dinner. I didn't get a chance to go this year to the local dinner. Just it didn't work out to get it was the same night as Sashco and how all that worked out. But last year for me, I just it's not a I'm not in a place to, like, put in effort to go to the meetings and kinda build that relationship because rightfully so, they kinda wanted some investment on my end to, like, get to know them and to kind of how could it be a more of a mutual partnership instead of just, like, them giving, which I'm totally open to just I think it will be I think it'll be something that I pursue eventually as we, like, head towards building sheds because then, like, it's resources, not just materials, but to, like, builders and other people that Sorry. What you you're saying is great.
Speaker 2:It's just I'm I
Speaker 1:was thrown off by Ken
Speaker 2:being sideways. Dude, his poor connection has been in and out all night.
Speaker 4:Yeah. It's terrible. I have, like, 41%, I think, mics and activity. If that's what that percentage in the corner of the screen.
Speaker 2:You got your battery, man. I'm sorry. That's good. That's yeah. No, you're not.
Speaker 2:I'm not sorry about that at all. I'm sorry for cutting Adam off. No, you're good.
Speaker 1:I think you're right. My builders association has been incredible about not like they don't expect a lot back And I let them know because I teach the nights that they have their meetings and everything, and I don't even go to them. I'll hit one of them in the summertime. So maybe I'm just extremely fortunate in that.
Speaker 2:Yeah. They were really interested. I just you know, some of it is I've gotta make it to a few meetings just to meet everybody, you know, that kind of thing. And just because it's really for me, it would be really cold calling at this point. Right.
Speaker 2:So, just to even kind of get going and things like that and since we're not a direct school and we are like an inner city ministry, there's there's a layer there that it's, you know, it's not sometimes it's just a little different, like, than just being like, Oh, it's Pittsburgh Public Schools. Like, that's like, we love that.
Speaker 1:Right. There was already, when I started at the school, there was already a somewhat of a relationship formed.
Speaker 2:Yeah. But no, I mean, I'm pumped that it's like, that you have that backing. I mean, that's huge. I mean, that's like,
Speaker 4:I
Speaker 2:mean, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And even just to have builders that I can call and get advice from.
Speaker 2:That's huge.
Speaker 1:I think the everyone's trying to figure out how to connect the industry and schools or programs, whatever it is.
Speaker 3:Right. We've got the KCHVA, the Kansas City Home Builders Association, and they they do some cool stuff, but, it's kinda different than what I do. They use they use I'm kinda married to my curriculum because our state recognizes that. Students have to go through it. So they use different curriculum, and they have, like, a playhouse thing and, like they do some cool stuff, but it's kinda different.
Speaker 3:And so, like, I I go to some of the meetings and because they have ones for educators. And so I go to a few of those and but I don't go to many. Oh, and they offer, like, little grants. And so, like, I almost feel guilty, you know, applying or taking their money, but so I don't know. There are great people out there and there's good organizations, but some and that's the other thing for me.
Speaker 3:You know, those other shop teachers like Noah, you were saying, any insight to why those other teachers I don't know what they have going on in their life. Maybe they're also a coach or, you know
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3:You know, because to me, I'm like, man, I'm at full bandwidth.
Speaker 4:Lazy. They're just lazy.
Speaker 3:Maybe. Maybe.
Speaker 2:Or they're, like, can and
Speaker 1:just old and don't know how to receive the voice mail.
Speaker 4:It'd be bad too.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It was just an interesting insight that I and my response to them was they just run maybe a different program than I have, and it works amazing for us. And I really don't know? But I don't also connect. I have Josiah, which is in a neighboring county who was there,
Speaker 2:but
Speaker 1:I don't have the other shop teachers I've never really been able to connect with. And I didn't know, you know, maybe it's territorial, maybe it's whatever it is, but which is funny because some of the best relations like y'all and other people, like some of the best people I'm like, this is awesome. There's no competition. We're all just trying to win for our students or people in our program. It's it's just an interesting thing.
Speaker 4:Kind of my struggle starting off as a general contractor. Like, you can't go to other general contractors in your area and, like, network with them and, like discuss those pain points with them that they went through. Instead, you just have to go through them and experience them yourself because it's more like your competition, but really your client base is completely different. And that's why I joined the Home Builders Association is to try to network with those people. And I think that's kind of what we're trying to do here.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry. What you're saying is a % true. You're just sideways.
Speaker 4:The problem is My phone There we go. Is that better?
Speaker 2:Hey, works. See, now you made him move the phone. If I hadn't to text it, sideways, I wouldn't have laughed. This is what my wife has
Speaker 1:to deal with when we're in serious things. I always laugh.
Speaker 3:Yes, me too. It doesn't go well sometimes because I'm supposed to be serious, you know?
Speaker 4:Wife is serious.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that is interesting. I never thought about that from builder to builder being or whatever person in the industry, they're competitive. And that's a tough thing for people new breaking in.
Speaker 3:So I kind of discovered Instagram roughly about the same time as like, I remember Tyler Grace, TRG, Nick Schiffer, and Here's Johnny. They started the Modern Craftsman podcast. And they I kinda stumbled into them because I was kinda like everybody in construction's, like, stuck in their ways. Nobody talks to each other, and we're doing the same crap the way we've been doing it forever. And then I kinda stumbled into those guys and I'm like, hey, there are people that are interested in improving and I stumbled into it like, I had to have found one of Matt Risinger's like original videos and it was on window install.
Speaker 3:And I was like, Oh my gosh, that is revolutionary. And if we looked at it now, would laugh at it, but it was so much better than what I was doing. And so I kind of stumbled into the whole social media stuff and all these guys. And one thing they mentioned is, this is a place where we can talk to people that we don't compete against. And so like, openly, like, you can share all the pain points or kinda your tips and tricks you wouldn't want to get out.
Speaker 3:And so, I don't know, but then there's really not that in shop teachers, but doggone, it would be nice to, like, know someone else's shortcuts and or that they're struggling just like you are.
Speaker 4:Yeah. That whole concept of Totally. Don't know what you don't know. The more you watch one of Matt Reisinger's videos and realize you don't know.
Speaker 3:That's right.
Speaker 2:Yeah. The more you watch
Speaker 4:the more shows, don't know. For them. No. Are they like the show sponsor?
Speaker 2:GPT give you to wrap us up? That was the nicest way you could say, Hey guys, I'm out. I have to do a fun run tomorrow to build the community. I never checked the outro. Honestly, I'm shocked we made it this far.
Speaker 4:Are you kidding me?
Speaker 3:No. This is good.
Speaker 2:Yeah. This was great. It's going be a lot of editing. I'm just kidding. So, yeah, why don't you give the outro Adam?
Speaker 3:Oh man. He's going say goodnight.
Speaker 2:Well, this is foreman and a giraffe. Is that our name? Foreman and giraffe?
Speaker 1:Working title.
Speaker 2:Working title. Our working title is foreman and a giraffe. You'll meet giraffe tomorrow, and we'll see you next month.
Speaker 1:Perfect. Thanks for listening to the Foreman podcast. Be sure to check us out on Instagram at Foreman underscore podcast. And each month, we'll release a new episode discussing the trades and bringing on interesting guests from the industry.
